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Offline pandadug

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Biggest thunderstorm
« on: June 07, 2023, 06:59:21 PM »
I was wondering, are the largest thunderstorms always going to have a tornado? I mean, is the ultimate climax of a storm always tornado producing? Can there be a larger, more “severe” storm without a tornado or is a tornado always the end product of a large enough storm?

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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2023, 08:10:29 PM »
I don't think size has all that much to do with it. I've seen small cells produce fairly strong tornados. It's more to do with the environment around the storm and how much spin can be induced.
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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2023, 10:36:54 PM »
If anything… widespread convection or thunderstorm activity can actually inhibit a tornado threat, if the atmosphere gets worked over. The tornado threat can be higher in an isolated supercell if there’s less activity around to compete with it. But, that’s a complicated issue

The physical size of the thunderstorm as in areal coverage in square miles (if that is what you’re getting at) is not so much a factor as cell intensity and atmospheric factors.

It’s hard to quantify the size of a thunderstorm if it’s a multicellular complex or squall line with continuous lightning activity that may span hundreds of miles potentially. A big bad derecho or thunderstorm complex may affect a wide swath and never produce a tornado.

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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2023, 10:59:48 PM »
it's not the size of the prize, it's the motion of the ocean.. as they say.
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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2023, 02:46:28 PM »
I'll add the bigger thunderstorms we see during the summer are often 1) isolated, 2) strong/severe, 3) non-tornadic, and/or 4) wind producers.  Environmental factors play into #3, but there's some really big, tall, robust storms during July-August whose anvil can be seen from two hundred miles away.   
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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2023, 05:23:03 PM »
Thanks for the feedback. I think what I’ve gotten from your responses is that a tornado is not the end result of storm evolution, but a possible by-product, given the right variables occurring within the storm.

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Re: Biggest thunderstorm
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2023, 09:44:15 PM »
Thanks for the feedback. I think what I’ve gotten from your responses is that a tornado is not the end result of storm evolution, but a possible by-product, given the right variables occurring within the storm.

Within AND outside, but yes, that's a plausible conclusion.
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