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Title: California Fires
Post by: Thundersnow on November 12, 2018, 07:28:26 PM
The air is visibly smokey at the 49'ers game- people in the stands wearing masks. I can't imagine it's healthy on the players.

Horrific situation there. Paradise, CA, is apparently gone.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: harlequin on November 15, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
I caved today and bought a mask to wear in San Francisco as we enter Day 6 of extremely poor air quality from wildfire smoke. The entire Bay Area smells like a camp fire, and despite days of nothing but sunshine, the sun hasn't been fully visible in days. In my house, we've kept all our window shut since waking up to a house full of the smell of smoke last Friday. I've always felt an urgency w/ regard to the effects of climate change, but it's even more heightened now.

SF today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDzyOGU8AAiD2V.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDeuS-X0AM1Ic5.jpg)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Curt on November 15, 2018, 02:49:36 PM
I caved today and bought a mask to wear in San Francisco as we enter Day 6 of extremely poor air quality from wildfire smoke. The entire Bay Area smells like a camp fire, and despite days of nothing but sunshine, the sun hasn't been fully visible in days. In my house, we've kept all our window shut since waking up to a house full of the smell of smoke last Friday. I've always felt an urgency w/ regard to the effects of climate change, but it's even more heightened now.

SF today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDzyOGU8AAiD2V.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsDeuS-X0AM1Ic5.jpg)

I was there in mid August when the fires were further north. I know that campfire smell.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Thundersnow on November 15, 2018, 03:43:33 PM
I just learned yesterday that I have relatives who lost everything in Paradise, CA... one of my mom's cousins (who I don't know and not sure I've met). The family out there was afraid they had died escaping the fire, but they did make it to safety, with apparently only the contents of their car the only thing they have.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 15, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
I just learned yesterday that I have relatives who lost everything in Paradise, CA... one of my mom's cousins (who I don't know and not sure I've met). The family out there was afraid they had died escaping the fire, but they did make it to safety, with apparently only the contents of their car the only thing they have.


That's really rough, but glad they are alive and well.  It's nightmarish out there this fire season, as all the rain last winter only made things worse this year.  The increased undergrowth has become more fuel for the fires as it dried out during the summer months.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: StormNine on November 15, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
California is expected to have above average precipitation in the 8-14 day outlook.  That will be much needed. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 16, 2018, 08:32:10 AM
Looks like another smoky sunrise in San Fran. . .

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/california/sanfrancisco/?cam=sanfranciscoskyline (https://www.earthcam.com/usa/california/sanfrancisco/?cam=sanfranciscoskyline)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 16, 2018, 01:06:17 PM
Deadliest in CA history. More than 60 killed and more than 600 missing, almost all of whom are presumably dead.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: bugalou on November 16, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Deadliest in CA history. More than 60 killed and more than 600 missing, almost all of whom are presumably dead.

That is an absolutely horrifying number in a modern first world country.  On top of that stat, all but 1 of the top 10 most destructive wild fires in CA's history have been in the 21st century.  At some point people will need to come to terms with climate change being a real phenomenon.  I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 16, 2018, 06:47:12 PM
That is an absolutely horrifying number in a modern first world country.  On top of that stat, all but 1 of the top 10 most destructive wild fires in CA's history have been in the 21st century.  At some point people will need to come to terms with climate change being a real phenomenon.  I will leave it at that.

Completely agree. The portion of Americans who think humans don't have an effect on climate is concerning.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: bugalou on November 16, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
100 years ago the whole state of California could of burned and it would of been less destructive/costly as now. So ofc a state that is rapidly growing has had more destruction. Also the fires could be more now maybe too. Why? Maybe more people more campers ect I mean im not saying these fires in the past decade are not the worst ever or whatever but there's a lot more to it. You have a house burn down with no one inside. Deaths 0. You have a house burn down with 10 inside. Deaths 10. Is the weather to blame there for higher death tolls? What about a forest burns down destruction cost 0 vs a neighborhood now built in that forest's area burning down destruction cost 20 million. Times are getting worse i tell you what. lol.. Climate changes all the time we go from winter to spring to summer to fall lol. Ofc climate change is real...

I thought on this board it would go without saying, but I guess not:  this is one piece of data among thousands of other data points that supports climate change being real and being caused by man.  I use to be a skeptic myself, but after reading all the various studies as they have been completed along with things like the norther polar ice cap's steady decline, glaciers in Greenland melting, dissolved gas in ice core samples, mass coral deaths from ocean pH levels going down, etc etc - I changed my mind   Science shows this and science by nature is right whether you want to 'believe' or not.  The facts are overwhelming at this point and while sure, your points on the California fires are valid, it does little to invalidate my argument just due to the complex nature of climate.  That said though, as far as climate goes there, CA has been very anomalously dry over the past 20 years which breeds wildfires.

That will be my last reply on the subject as I do not want to drag politics into the thread - if this were Weather Brains I'd be getting the buzzer from Spann.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 16, 2018, 07:32:07 PM
Completely agree. The portion of Americans who think humans don't have an effect on climate is concerning.

For whatever reason, we've turned this into a political issue.  Furthermore, the two sides are more polarized than ever, and it's concerning to see the level of animosity growing every year between red vs blue, liberal vs conservative.  There can be no consensus on this, or any other important issue, when the two sides won't listen to each other or even make an effort to find common ground.  We're supposed to be one nation, but lately it's fracturing.

It's said that a house divided cannot stand.  I don't think the United States has been this disunited since the Civil War.  Climate change may be the least of our problems if we can't put aside personal pride and learn to reason with each other again.  ::candle::
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: bugalou on November 16, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
For whatever reason, we've turned this into a political issue.  Furthermore, the two sides are more polarized than ever, and it's concerning to see the level of animosity growing every year between red vs blue, liberal vs conservative.  There can be no consensus on this, or any other important issue, when the two sides won't listen to each other or even make an effort to find common ground.  We're supposed to be one nation, but lately it's fracturing.

It's said that a house divided cannot stand.  I don't think the United States has been this disunited since the Civil War.  Climate change may be the least of our problems if we can't put aside personal pride and learn to reason with each other again.  ::candle::

Completely agree.  The problem is it has gone from "What can we do to maker things better" to "What can we do to hurt the other side". Between that and people obsessing over labels for both themselves as well as whatever group they want to hate, it is frustrating.  I do not label myself as either right or left, democrat or republican.  I have beliefs on both sides of the fence, but I also believe compromise is important and that's something no one is willing to do these days it seems.

And since this has gone off the rails in a severe weather thread here is a picture I took from the summer of the anvil of a thunderstorm over Texas during sunset I took flying back from Las Vegas back in September.

(https://i.imgur.com/EaT41Ia.jpg)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 16, 2018, 10:25:57 PM
100 years ago the whole state of California could of burned and it would of been less destructive/costly as now. So ofc a state that is rapidly growing has had more destruction. Also the fires could be more now maybe too. Why? Maybe more people more campers ect I mean im not saying these fires in the past decade are not the worst ever or whatever but there's a lot more to it. You have a house burn down with no one inside. Deaths 0. You have a house burn down with 10 inside. Deaths 10. Is the weather to blame there for higher death tolls? What about a forest burns down destruction cost 0 vs a neighborhood now built in that forest's area burning down destruction cost 20 million. Times are getting worse i tell you what. lol.. Climate changes all the time we go from winter to spring to summer to fall lol. Ofc climate change is real...

Those are called seasons.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 17, 2018, 05:09:41 PM
Around 1,000 people missing due to these wildfires now.  I don't recall anything like this, even during the worst fires in recent memory.  I hope these people found shelter somewhere. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 17, 2018, 09:53:49 PM
Around 1,000 people missing due to these wildfires now.  I don't recall anything like this, even during the worst fires in recent memory.  I hope these people found shelter somewhere.

It's so upsetting to watch. And to think two years ago, this type of disaster hit very, very close to home.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Charles L. on November 18, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
Around 1,000 people missing due to these wildfires now.  I don't recall anything like this, even during the worst fires in recent memory.  I hope these people found shelter somewhere.

Staggering and hard to grasp a number that big.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 18, 2018, 07:28:34 AM
It's so upsetting to watch. And to think two years ago, this type of disaster hit very, very close to home.

Exactly.  What puts this in perspective for me is our wildfire "event" basically lasted 3 days, and the worst of it only occurred in a 24 hour period when the fire spread into Gatlinburg.  Imagine that fire lasting for weeks and engulfing nearly half of the National Park.  Or imagine a fire big enough to swallow up a city like Knoxville or Nashville.  That's what happening in California.

Here is a website with a interactive map.  You can zoom out and see just how big the fire is if it was in your back yard. I brought the fire over the Knoxville, and the city from one end to the other would be gone (including the suburbs).  Actually, over half of Knox county would be on fire.  We were very fortunate that enough rain fell when it did so our fire could be contained. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-wildfires-2018-size-compare-us-cities-map-n935946 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-wildfires-2018-size-compare-us-cities-map-n935946)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: bugalou on November 18, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
I frequent some of the darker places on the internet from time to time.  Yesterday I found a video of a guy showing the damage on a road from the fire up by Paradise and the whole road was filled with burned out cars with completely charred human skeletal remains inside of them.  Just on that little stretch of road I counted 10 people dead.  I couldn't imagine what they were thinking near the end.   It maybe quite some time if we find out the missing are dead or alive based on how little actually remained of those poor souls.  Its just a very sad and desperate situation all around.   :'(
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Charles L. on November 18, 2018, 10:20:06 AM
For more perspective, here is what the fire would look in Sumner County. Unreal.

I couldnít imagine all of Gallatin and Hendersonville being gone.
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Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: StormNine on November 18, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
For more perspective, here is what the fire would look in Sumner County. Unreal.

I couldnít imagine all of Gallatin and Hendersonville being gone.
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The town of Paradise is about Gallatin sized in area and population.  It is like burning down an entire Gallatin, Hopkinsville, or Cookeville.   
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Beth on November 18, 2018, 12:10:44 PM
I saw a video on Youtube that was a dash cam. A father was trying to get out of the Paradise fire.  He had two of his kids in the car.  Tree limbs that were on fire were falling on their car.  Fire on both sides of the road.  The kids were crying ď Daddy are we going to die?Ē  They were so terrified.  Dad kept trying reassure them but could hear the uncertainity and fear in his voice.  Their car was getting hotter and hotter inside. One of the boys asked if their car was going to blow up.  It was so heart breaking.  But good news was the did get out.  But I just could not imagine what they were all going through.
😢😢😢
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 18, 2018, 01:30:10 PM
With a Mediterranean climate (mild, lots of sun, and very dry outside of the rainy season), many are drawn to California.  It can be a paradise.  But you pay for it by summer's end, because it doesn't usually rain much after April.  Between the earthquakes and fires, I'll choose to stay in east Tennessee.  We may have both, but on a much smaller and infrequent scale. 


Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: StormNine on November 18, 2018, 02:21:59 PM
With a Mediterranean climate (mild, lots of sun, and very dry outside of the rainy season), many are drawn to California.  It can be a paradise.  But you pay for it by summer's end, because it doesn't usually rain much after April.  Between the earthquakes and fires, I'll choose to stay in east Tennessee.  We may have both, but on a much smaller and infrequent scale.

Fire is a way of life in that area.  There are trees there that require fire to disperse their seeds.  With that said the quick speed and intensity are pretty unusual and is likely related to a combination of climate change (created more extreme alternations of precipitation), the build-up of brush and other debris, citizens encroaching unto areas that are prone to fire, and the overall climate of that area. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 18, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
Fire is a way of life in that area.  There are trees there that require fire to disperse their seeds.  With that said the quick speed and intensity are pretty unusual and is likely related to a combination of climate change (created more extreme alternations of precipitation), the build-up of brush and other debris, citizens encroaching unto areas that are prone to fire, and the overall climate of that area.

Fire is nature's way to clean away dead/diseased trees and underbrush. If not for our suppression efforts, it would probably be far more widespread here during drought years like 2016.  But the semi-arid/desert areas of the southwest dry out every summer and fall.  If you're going to live there, you have to know fire will threaten you at some point in your lifetime--guaranteed.  The more we populate areas like that, the more frequently these tragedies will happen, unfortunately.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: StormNine on November 18, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
I didn't realize this but this is the same general area that had the dam that was about to fail due to unsually heavy rain during the Winter of 2016-17. 

Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: harlequin on November 18, 2018, 05:37:13 PM
With a Mediterranean climate (mild, lots of sun, and very dry outside of the rainy season), many are drawn to California.  It can be a paradise.  But you pay for it by summer's end, because it doesn't usually rain much after April.  Between the earthquakes and fires, I'll choose to stay in east Tennessee.  We may have both, but on a much smaller and infrequent scale.

I moved on June 1 and it rained for 20 minutes or so one morning in October. I love SF and the climate so far, at least up until the smoke, which is expected to continue through Wednesday when the first winter rain comes. It's definitely been an odd and (mostly due to the duration) an unpleasant experience. SF is a very small, compact city and culturally doors and windows are left open a lot. The smoke, masks, and haze combined with the homeless population has made it feel a bit apocalyptic at times. That said, the Bay Area is stunning and the smoke is kind of beautiful at times.

I feel pretty bad for the responders to the fire. Obviously, I think California firefighters are completely exhausted. But reading some of the statements from officials in Butte County, I really hope they receive good access to mental health services.

I think we've been pretty respectful discussing climate change, so I feel fine posting these charts. Basically, Americans increasingly believe climate change is occurring, but don't rank it a top policy priority. The huge caveat though is, as mentioned already, Americans are increasingly partisan in how we view climate change. That's a bummer because addressing or discussing climate change doesn't have to be partisan. I read a good book a few years ago called "How to Think Seriously about the Planet: The Case for an Environmental Conservatism" that made the case that environmentalism was inherently conservative. He was coming from a European conservatism point of view, but a lot still applied. Again, the below is just polling - not a referendum on who is right or wrong.

(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-effects.jpg)
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-threat.jpg)
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-concern-party-ID-3.jpg)

The last poll surprised me actually.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: mamMATTus on November 18, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Not to get too far off topic, but this video of the Chalet Village Fire in Gatlinburg 2 years ago is truly mind-blowing if you haven't seen it already. The Camp Fire is this on steroids. Please keep in mind this video is NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2sgyoiL1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2sgyoiL1o)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 19, 2018, 07:31:32 AM

I think we've been pretty respectful discussing climate change, so I feel fine posting these charts. Basically, Americans increasingly believe climate change is occurring, but don't rank it a top policy priority. The huge caveat though is, as mentioned already, Americans are increasingly partisan in how we view climate change. That's a bummer because addressing or discussing climate change doesn't have to be partisan. I read a good book a few years ago called "How to Think Seriously about the Planet: The Case for an Environmental Conservatism" that made the case that environmentalism was inherently conservative. He was coming from a European conservatism point of view, but a lot still applied. Again, the below is just polling - not a referendum on who is right or wrong.

(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-effects.jpg)
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-threat.jpg)
(http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gallup_global-warming-concern-party-ID-3.jpg)

The last poll surprised me actually.

Interesting poll numbers; thanks for posting.  Wow, that's some chasm between blue and red there.  Can anything be done to bring those two closer together, so at least some intelligent dialogue can take place again?

I can't prove or disprove global warming (caused by man).  I'm not that smart.  But I can at least try to be a good steward of the planet I live on now so those generations that follow me have a decent place to enjoy, as I have had.  That's my motivation whether or not global warming, or "climate change," is real. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Charles L. on November 19, 2018, 07:55:44 AM
Not to get too far off topic, but this video of the Chalet Village Fire in Gatlinburg 2 years ago is truly mind-blowing if you haven't seen it already. The Camp Fire is this on steroids. Please keep in mind this video is NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2sgyoiL1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2sgyoiL1o)

I have never watched that video. Holy crap. Honestly, they kept their head pretty well given the situation they were in.

I knew the outcome and STILL felt nervous for them watching that video.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Crockett on November 19, 2018, 08:55:13 AM
Interesting poll numbers; thanks for posting.  Wow, that's some chasm between blue and red there.  Can anything be done to bring those two closer together, so at least some intelligent dialogue can take place again?

No. It would require concessions from both sides, and that will never happen. We're too stubborn.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Crockett on November 19, 2018, 09:14:53 AM
I agree lets go back to the 1800s when things was much better in the world. Sell your car turn off your ac/heat. Stop adding to the trash by recycling and reusing plates. 1 shower a month. No internet. I mean what do you want the world to really do? Step back from innovating things and go back in time???

Holy hyperbole, Batman! There's a gargantuan gap between being a luddite and being a prudent caretaker of our planet.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 19, 2018, 09:56:23 AM
I agree lets go back to the 1800s when things was much better in the world. Sell your car turn off your ac/heat. Stop adding to the trash by recycling and reusing plates. 1 shower a month. No internet. I mean what do you want the world to really do? Step back from innovating things and go back in time???

(https://impeccabletablemanners.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/james-franco-whut.gif?w=500&h=325)
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 19, 2018, 09:56:46 AM
Yeah I'm not even going to comment on that one.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Crockett on November 19, 2018, 11:55:16 AM
Okay, explain what we should do to help prevent climate change from killing our kids and starting wildfires ect. Im just curious at how you guys seem to know whats best for our planet all of the sudden.

I'm just curious why you're so defensive all of a sudden. You need to chillax, man. This is just a conversation amongst weather nerds. Nothing we say here is going to cause Mother Earth to burst into flames...or prevent it.

What can we do to prevent climate change? I don't know that there's anything we can do. I'm a huge skeptic when it comes to the subject of anthropogenic global warming. But I didn't see anything in Jaycee's post that even remotely suggested the extreme measures you fired back with. He simply said that we should be good stewards of our planet. That seems like a no-brainer to me.

Your extreme approach is a perfect example of why there can't be intelligent dialogue on this issue. It's the same as the opposite side, who try to equate every single weather episode to climate change. Set the politics aside, be willing to listen with an open mind, and you might be surprised by what you learn.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 19, 2018, 12:12:13 PM
I agree lets go back to the 1800s when things was much better in the world. Sell your car turn off your ac/heat. Stop adding to the trash by recycling and reusing plates. 1 shower a month. No internet. I mean what do you want the world to really do? Step back from innovating things and go back in time???

Hereís what Iíve done:

I drive a Honda Civic instead of Chevrolet Suburban.  Better gas mileage.  I can afford the SUV, but I donít need it.  So, why go there?

Iíve winterized my home to the best of my ability so I donít overuse electricity/propane heating a drafty home.

Iíve planted over a dozen trees in the last two years on my acre of land. 

I use energy efficient LED light bulbs everywhere in my home.

I make sure I turn out the lights/TV when I leave the room.

I use my own well water, even though I could use city water.  Less expensive, and less water used that has to be treated/cleaned by someone else.   

Instead of throwing everything in the local landfill, I have a compost pile and use it for all food/biodegradable matter, and re-use that for mulch.

Does it make a difference?  Probably not much.  But itís not as extreme as anything you mention, and well within my ability to do it. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: bugalou on November 19, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
Okay, explain what we should do to help prevent climate change from killing our kids and starting wildfires ect. Im just curious at how you guys seem to know whats best for our planet all of the sudden. I mean honestly yall are acting like typical republicans. Theorys about the end of the world over isolated disasters that happen all the time. Its pathetic honestly. Just saying..

I don't understand your perspective.  You are trying to say there is a 1 to 1 relationship  between technological progress and environmental damage where that is in no way the case.

It is not hard to suggest things to do to preserve both modern living and environmental friendliness.  The crux of every modern convenience is energy.  Make energy plentiful, clean and cheap and man kind  can easily thrive. I would suggest:


I simply do not see a downside into ultimately getting our energy from the sun or from nuclear.  The only things preventing it is greed from major fossil fuel energy companies that have no interest in energy being cheapened.  That said, that is very short term way of thinking as major innovations would come in leaps and bounds with cheap and plentiful energy that would ultimately feed far more robust revenue streams than any coal or oil company, and it is good for the planet!
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 19, 2018, 06:06:09 PM
So that just leaves us citizens to do the change and them changes (in my opinion) dont even make a difference other then the littering and recycling and water management. Maybe slightly saving electricity but i feel personal use isn't the real problem in that area even. The main thing is for the government to start taking action and good luck with that.


If 327 million people (current U.S. population) don't believe what they do makes a difference, then that is the problem, and the government can't fix that. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 19, 2018, 06:35:08 PM
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NorCal will receive 1-2" of rainfall to close out the holiday week, with higher amounts of precip. in the mountains.

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Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 20, 2018, 07:01:34 AM
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NorCal will receive 1-2" of rainfall to close out the holiday week, with higher amounts of precip. in the mountains.

I hope they get some good soakings over the coming weeks, because the winter overall could be drier than normal if a ridge becomes dominant near the Pacific Coast as many long range winter forecasts depict.  Most of the time, when our winters are cold and wet over here, the west is dry and warm. 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: BRUCE on November 20, 2018, 09:37:15 AM
I hope they get some good soakings over the coming weeks, because the winter overall could be drier than normal if a ridge becomes dominant near the Pacific Coast as many long range winter forecasts depict.  Most of the time, when our winters are cold and wet over here, the west is dry and warm.
starting to worry bout mud slides cause of rain expected...p ick your poison.... California is just doomed
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: Thundersnow on November 20, 2018, 01:34:53 PM
Wow...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/us/california-wildfires-new-york-city-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/us/california-wildfires-new-york-city-trnd/index.html)

According to that, the "stream" of smoke even goes across TN. Anyone notice any haze from it?
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 20, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
I'll see if I notice anything when the sun comes out tomorrow.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 20, 2018, 08:08:50 PM
Death toll up to 80, and still near 1,000 unaccounted for.  The fact they haven't found many yet is very disconcerting.  I hope they are just staying at a friends house and don't know they are "missing." 
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: schneitzeit on November 21, 2018, 12:08:18 PM
Hazy in Knoxville today.
Title: Re: California Fires
Post by: JayCee on November 21, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
Hazy in Knoxville today.

Same here.  I noticed it more this afternoon with the clouds gone.  There's a definite haze/smoky appearance to the sky.