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« on: December 19, 2011, 11:04:38 AM »
I haven't looked at anything to know whether or not there is a significant threat of severe weather in the region tomorrow.  Nevertheless, the SPC is highlighting a slight risk of severe weather in adjacent portions of MS and AL that extends into southern portions of West TN south of I-40.





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   DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK 
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1050 AM CST MON DEC 19 2011
   
   VALID 201200Z - 211200Z
   
   ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER PARTS OF MS/AL/TN...
   
   A LEAD SHORTWAVE TROUGH CURRENTLY OVER WEST TX WILL TRACK EASTWARD
   AND ACROSS THE LOWER MS VALLEY TUESDAY MORNING.  THIS SYSTEM WILL
   BRING WIDESPREAD CLOUDS AND PRECIPITATION TO PORTIONS OF AR/MS/TN.
   STRONG SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL WINDS THROUGH THE DAY WILL ALSO HELP TO
   BEGIN TRANSPORTING GULF MOISTURE NORTHWARD INTO THE REGION.  BRIEF
   SHORTWAVE RIDGING IS LIKELY THROUGH THE EARLY AFTERNOON...BEFORE THE
   NEXT AND STRONGER UPPER IMPULSE APPROACHES AFTER DARK.  COOLING MID
   LEVEL TEMPERATURES AND DEWPOINTS IN THE UPPER 50S/LOWER 60S WILL
   RESULT IN AT LEAST MARGINAL CAPE VALUES OVER PORTIONS OF MS/AL/TN
   WHERE FAVORABLE LOW LEVEL AND DEEP LAYER VERTICAL SHEAR WILL
   CO-EXIST.  ISOLATED STRONG OR EVEN SUPERCELL STORMS WILL BE POSSIBLE
   TUESDAY EVENING-NIGHT OVER THIS AREA WITH A RISK OF HAIL...GUSTY
   WINDS...OR A BRIEF TORNADO.  THE LACK OF A MORE ROBUST RETURN OF
   RICH GULF MOISTURE IS THE MAIN LIMITING FACTOR FOR THIS SEVERE
   WEATHER THREAT.
   
   ..HART.. 12/19/2011

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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 12:52:02 PM »
It bears watching, but the mid level energy at 500hPa is displaced a bit downstream and height falls are rather weak on top of questionable moisture within the boundary layer.  At present, it seems a decent squall line may be the biggest threat further southwest in the slight risk area.

If higher td's advect further inland and we get stronger height falls, it could change the look entirely.

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 04:24:44 PM »
from HUN:

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 11:00:30 AM »
The SPC removed the risk area in today's Day 1 outlook.



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   DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK 
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1022 AM CST TUE DEC 20 2011
   
   VALID 201630Z - 211200Z
   
   ...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...
   
   ...SYNOPSIS...
   
   MIDLEVEL LOW OVER NWRN OK WILL GRADUALLY WEAKEN THROUGH THE D1
   PERIOD WHILE TRANSLATING NEWD INTO AN INCREASINGLY CONFLUENT FLOW
   REGIME IN PLACE OVER THE MIDWEST.  THIS SYSTEM WILL BE ACCOMPANIED
   BY A 70-80 KT MIDLEVEL JET STREAK AND A CORRIDOR OF 12-HR HEIGHT
   FALLS /AT 500 MB/ OF 50-100 M SHIFTING FROM THE OZARK PLATEAU INTO
   MID MS AND LOWER OH VALLEYS.  IN THE LOW LEVELS...OCCLUDED SURFACE
   LOW OVER CNTRL OK WILL DEVELOP NEWD IN TANDEM WITH THE UPPER
   SYSTEM...REACHING IL/IND LATE TONIGHT INTO WED MORNING.
   MEANWHILE...A TRAILING COLD FRONT WILL ADVANCE EWD THROUGH THE
   MIDDLE AND LOWER MS VALLEY.
   
   ...LOWER MS/TN/SRN OH VALLEYS EWD ALONG THE GULF COAST...
   
   A PRE-FRONTAL BAND OF TSTMS IS PRESENT THIS MORNING FROM CNTRL LA
   SWWD INTO THE SHELF WATERS OFF THE MIDDLE TX COAST.  THIS ACTIVITY
   IS LIKELY BEING FORCED BY LOW-LEVEL CONFLUENT FLOW AND GLANCING
   INFLUENCE OF MIDLEVEL SYSTEM PASSING TO THE NW OF THE REGION.  12Z
   OBSERVED SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT IS
   CHARACTERIZED BY WEAK LAPSE RATES AND BOUNDARY LAYER DEWPOINTS IN
   THE LOW/MID 60S WITH MLCAPE VALUES OF 500-1000 J/KG.
   
   THE NEWD PROGRESSION OF MIDLEVEL SYSTEM AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW
   WILL RESULT IN THE STRONGER FORCING FOR ASCENT GRADUALLY BECOMING
   DISPLACED FROM THE MORE MOIST/UNSTABLE BOUNDARY LAYER IN PLACE
   ACROSS THE LOWER MS VALLEY.  AND WHILE MOISTURE WILL INCREASE NWD
   INTO THE MID SOUTH AND SRN OH VALLEY...WIDESPREAD CLOUDS WILL TEMPER
   HEATING AND RESULTANT DESTABILIZATION WITH MLCAPE VALUES REMAINING
   AOB 500 J/KG.  CURRENTLY...IT APPEARS THE MARGINAL INSTABILITY WILL
   BE THE LIMITING INGREDIENT FOR A MORE ROBUST SEVERE WEATHER THREAT
   LATER TODAY AND TONIGHT E/SE OF SURFACE LOW TRACK FROM NRN MS INTO
   SRN OH VALLEY.  A LOW PROBABILITY RISK FOR DAMAGING WINDS AND
   TORNADOES REMAINS WARRANTED GIVEN THE RELATIVELY STRONG LOW- AND
   DEEP-LAYER SHEAR IN PLACE.
   
   ELSEWHERE...A SEPARATE BAND OF TSTMS MAY EVOLVE IN CONFLUENT
   LOW-LEVEL FLOW REGIME OVER THE NERN GULF OF MEXICO BEFORE MOVING
   INLAND ACROSS THE FL PNHDL INTO SRN AL LATER TODAY INTO TONIGHT.
   BASED ON CURRENT SATELLITE-DERIVED PW IMAGERY...IT APPEARS THAT THIS
   ACTIVITY MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH A PLUME OF HIGHER THETA-E AIR
   ORIGINATING FROM THE NRN CARIBBEAN.  HERE TOO...A LOW PROBABILITY
   RISK FOR A BRIEF TORNADO AND/OR LOCALLY DAMAGING WIND GUST WILL
   EXIST DUE TO THE CO-LOCATION OF A MOIST/WEAKLY BUOYANT BOUNDARY
   LAYER AND VERTICALLY VEERING WIND PROFILE.
   
   ..MEAD/SMITH.. 12/20/2011

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 05:11:41 PM »
Middle TN is still in the 2% chance of tornadoes for this evening according to the update at 1:30 PM. Does anybody think we will actually have any severe weather? Do you think they'll drop that 2% zone when they update the Day 1 at about 6:00 PM?

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 05:14:38 PM »
Middle TN is still in the 2% chance of tornadoes for this evening according to the update at 1:30 PM. Does anybody think we will actually have any severe weather? Do you think they'll drop that 2% zone when they update the Day 1 at about 6:00 PM?

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I would be shocked if anything happens. Its never looked impressive...not even in MS...much less here in TN.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 05:49:33 PM »
I appreciate the response Kevin. If I even see the word tornadoes mentioned it gives me anxiety.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2011, 07:06:43 PM »
Still showing a 2% chance of tornadoes across Middle and West TN


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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 12:21:41 PM »
Since the 12/20 threat didn't pan out AT ALL, I just added 12/22 to this one.  Current thinking (by me, using SREF 9z run) is that most of the 12/22 threat will remain south of I-20, but SPC has a slightly different outlook... and it's edging up on S TN.

Here's the latest SWODY2:


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   SPC AC 211644
   
   DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK 
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1044 AM CST WED DEC 21 2011
   
   VALID 221200Z - 231200Z
   
   ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER PORTIONS OF LA/MS/AL...
   
   CURRENT WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A WELL-DEFINED SHORTWAVE TROUGH
   OVER NORTHWEST MEXICO.  THIS FEATURE WILL TRACK EAST-NORTHEASTWARD
   ACROSS SOUTH TX TONIGHT AND INTO THE LOWER MS VALLEY ON THURSDAY.  A
   SURFACE BOUNDARY IS CURRENTLY STALLED JUST OFF THE LA/MS COAST...AND
   SHOULD RAPIDLY RETURN NORTHWARD TONIGHT AS SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL WINDS
   STRENGTHEN AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING THROUGH.  BY 22/12Z...THE
   BOUNDARY IS EXPECTED TO EXTEND FROM SOUTHERN LA INTO CENTRAL MS AND
   NORTHERN AL.  SURFACE DEWPOINTS IN THE MID 60S WILL ALSO RETURN
   NORTHWARD INTO LA/MS/AL LEADING TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AT LEAST
   MARGINAL SURFACE-BASED INSTABILITY ALONG AND SOUTH OF THE FRONT.
   
   MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS
   WILL BE OCCURRING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FORECAST PERIOD OVER
   LA/MS.  THE DEEPENING LOW WILL TRACK INTO NORTHERN AL BY AFTERNOON.
   DESPITE ONLY MARGINAL CAPE...BACKING AND STRENGTHENING LOW LEVEL
   WIND FIELDS COUPLED WITH STRONG LARGE SCALE FORCING FOR
   ASCENT...WILL PROMOTE A RISK OF STRONG TO LOCALLY SEVERE STORMS.
   SUPERCELLS APPEAR TO BE THE MOST LIKELY STORM-MODE WITH DAMAGING
   WINDS AND ISOLATED TORNADOES POSSIBLE.
  LOW LEVEL MOISTURE AND
   INSTABILITY WILL WEAKEN WITH NORTHEASTWARD EXTENT INTO TN/GA WITH
   DIMINISHING SEVERE WEATHER THREATS.
   
   ..HART.. 12/21/2011
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 12:14:49 PM »
Couple of TORs down in AL this morning but the signatures are quite marginal....James Spann sounds like he's about to go Dave Brown on BMX...  ;)
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 01:00:09 PM »
Couple of TORs down in AL this morning but the signatures are quite marginal....James Spann sounds like he's about to go Dave Brown on BMX...  ;)

I kinda agree with him... It looks like they're TOR warning everything that moves.
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 01:12:29 PM »
I kinda agree with him... It looks like they're TOR warning everything that moves.

Just a continuation of the new (in cool-season especially) TOR philosophies of trying to catch every possibility...and usually with little success. Its spread to every SE WFO now...and doesn't look like it will change anytime soon. I've certainly expressed my thoughts about it before.

Patrick Marsh has been doing some extensive research on tornado warning philosophies across the nation since 1986. The research is ongoing but the early results are clear. He has some great posts w/maps included on his blog...

http://www.patricktmarsh.com/
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 02:38:19 PM »
Damage reported in the town of Marbury, AL...report came in around 2:20.
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 02:43:54 PM »
Damage reported in the town of Marbury, AL...report came in around 2:20.

Only official report for Marbury right now is a tree down.
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BMX: 3 Sse Marbury [Autauga Co, AL] trained spotter reports TSTM WND DMG  at 02:16 PM CST -- large tree down near rollins.
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Re: 12/20 & 12/22 Slight Risk from the SPC
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2011, 02:52:28 PM »
Only official report for Marbury right now is a tree down.

That may be the only damage. It was in a warning text from BMX.
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