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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1215 on: February 03, 2009, 08:33:51 PM »
Currently: 18.3 POWER OUTAGES in certain areas of East Tennessee

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1216 on: February 03, 2009, 08:53:09 PM »
Here is a TDOT Smartmap...NE TN is incredibly, highly dangerous. It's obvious what the headlines will be tomorrow.
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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1217 on: February 04, 2009, 09:08:12 AM »
Close to 3" in Oneida overnight. Color me surprised.

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1218 on: February 04, 2009, 10:33:36 AM »
Well congrats east Tennessee. When we do manage to get snowfall its gone in 6 hours.... Be happy it will stay around for a bit.


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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1219 on: February 04, 2009, 10:41:17 AM »
Close to 3" in Oneida overnight. Color me surprised.

I should add that the accumulation here is very localized. At my house about 10 miles west of Oneida, we had 1/4 inch overnight. In town, there is 3".

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1220 on: February 04, 2009, 10:52:01 AM »
Congrats to you Crockett.  Not a thing down here except cold.  Low was down to 11 before I left this morning. 
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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1221 on: February 04, 2009, 11:41:00 AM »

Here we go again !!!!!!!!  ::doh::

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_192l.gif

At least it's something to maybe watch out for after the warmup coming up.   ::fingerscrossed::

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1222 on: February 04, 2009, 11:45:48 AM »
There is actually another storm on the GFS two days after that.  Of course this is extremely preliminary but at least it is something to watch!

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1223 on: February 04, 2009, 11:50:57 AM »
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Of course this is extremely preliminary but at least it is something to watch!

Exactly.  Not really concentrating an any individual storms this far out, but the overall trend does seem to get colder and stormy starting mid to late next week.

Still lots of winter left to go.   ::fingerscrossed::

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1224 on: February 04, 2009, 11:52:20 AM »
Here we go again !!!!!!!!  ::doh::

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_192l.gif

At least it's something to maybe watch out for after the warmup coming up.   ::fingerscrossed::

Yeah, that's very soon after the severe event being progged a few days before hand.  Nice eye candy, but I believe the GFS might be having convective feedback problems showing THAT MUCH qpf.  Definitely something to keep track of.
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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1225 on: February 04, 2009, 12:13:31 PM »
Well at least its somethings to look at for now. It sure would be nice to get a LITTLE something here in the west end of the great state of Tennessee. I've heard several reports that most of February and the first of March could be very unsettled.

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1226 on: February 04, 2009, 01:22:29 PM »
The low on Mt. LeConte this morning was -22 degrees. I imagine it was very windy up there as well. they only reported one inch of snow on top of a 5 inch snowcover from monday, so not exactly a blizzard, but still very very cold
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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1227 on: February 04, 2009, 02:47:33 PM »
Found this article over at Talkweather..an editorial from the Washington Post about Accuweather and it's hype over the Blizzard of 09.  Credit goes to Michael (southalwx)...

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Backlash Hits AccuWeather After Lackluster Storm

One of the strongest winter storms in recent memory lashed the east coast yesterday with strong winds, heavy rain, and paralyzing snow.

Did you miss it?

I suppose you could be forgiven for not noticing it, since what may have turned out to be the blizzard of 2009 ultimately existed solely in computer model simulations of the weather. Despite their best efforts, the models with impersonal acronyms like "GFS" and "ECMWF" could not force the storm scenario they had predicted to come to fruition. A dusting of snow fell around Washington, and a few inches in New York and Boston, but that was far from the one to two feet that was projected at one point.

Keep reading for more on AccuWeather's hype-filled forecast, and the fallout...

The non-storm event provided an interesting case study in how communicators of weather information should balance the need to attract eyeballs, in the form of viewers and readers, with the uncertainties inherent in forecasting that can make even the best forecast go bust. Remarkably, despite an early consensus of the computer models that a major storm was likely on Groundhog Day (that consensus had crumbled by last weekend), most media outlets -- including the Capital Weather Gang -- limited their hype to a Category 2 situation rather than a Cat 5 "hype-cane."

Although there were probably others who leaned too heavily towards hyping the storm, the most notable example of a media organization that balanced the ratings/uncertainty equation in favor of hyping the storm beyond what was meteorologically justified was AccuWeather Inc., the Pennsylvania-based private forecasting company that has a reputation in the weather forecasting industry as frequently being bullish on predicted snowfall amounts.

On its Web site and in press releases, AccuWeather featured blaring headlines of a major storm that left little wiggle room for the company's forecasters to back away from their predictions as it became clear that the storm was not going to materialize as expected. For example, on Jan. 30, AccuWeather distributed a press release that warned of the likelihood of not just one "monster storm," but a string of them in the next few weeks.

Regarding the Groundhog Day event, the press release stated: "The storm coming Monday and Tuesday next week will track from the Gulf of Mexico to a position near Baltimore by Tuesday morning. The storm will take shape on Sunday, spreading rain over Louisiana and neighboring states. The storm will then race through the South on Monday (Groundhog Day) to reach the Northeast by Tuesday."

The use of the word "will," rather than "could" or "may," erroneously conveyed the message that the forecast was a sure bet. In that press release, AccuWeather did mention that there was uncertainty in the track of the storm, but it did not highlight the possibility that the storm would fail to get its act together until it was too far offshore to have much of an impact on the coastline.

Not surprisingly, viewers of AccuWeather's video blogs and visitors to its Web site felt cheated when the monster storm was a no-show. Sadly, these disappointed snow lovers took their anger out on individual forecasters, leaving one prominent forecaster at the company reeling from the backlash.

Henry Margusity, the colorful host of the "MeteoMadness" video blog for AccuWeather.com, declared that he would cease "vlogging" due to the emotions that it seemed to incite (welcome to the club, Mr. Margusity!). He quickly recanted that declaration after it generated a flood of supportive emails and comments, as well as a request from company management to continue such work.

"Look, we all get frustrated over the weather. I get frustrated. I probably have not slept in 3 days over this storm. The models were horrible, for reasons I cannot explain. It happens. But what I would prefer are people who look at the weather offer their opinions in a professional manner," Margusity wrote on Monday.

The fallout was so ugly that Margusity's wife had to urge readers/viewers to calm down in a special guest blog post:

...anger, disgust, and threatening statements were made, and by more than just a few. You don't have to agree with all of Henry's ideas; certainly I do not! Folks, express your disagreement politely, or let it go...

Before prospects of an epic storm fizzled, Margusity had been referring to it as a "Big Daddy" storm, but unfortunately for him and for snow lovers up and down the eastern seaboard, it turned out to be more of a delinquent daddy who left a few bucks on the kitchen table, ran out the back door and never looked back.

The swift and nasty backlash against AccuWeather for its several days of excessive hype illustrates the perils when forecasters don't clearly communicate the uncertainties of their forecasts. In Margusity's case, angry viewers felt he oversold the storm.

Despite AccuWeather's hyped storm coverage, this was an extremely difficult storm to forecast. Everyone made mistakes, including those of us at Capital Weather Gang. In the next few days we'll feature a post explaining why the computer models had such a hard time handling this storm in particular, which may be the subject of several meteorology Ph.D. dissertations in the next few years.

In the meantime, we're interested to hear your views on what you'd like to see forecasters do to more effectively convey the degree of uncertainty involved in a given prediction.
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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1228 on: February 04, 2009, 03:18:50 PM »
We had about 1/4 inch of snow on roads and grass here this morning.
the flurries have stopped :(

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Re: Wintry Weather, Feb 2-3
« Reply #1229 on: February 04, 2009, 06:13:09 PM »
Good Discussion of the storm that came to a few.  :D
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