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Offline Cameron K.

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2009, 09:34:00 AM »
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2009, 04:55:59 PM »
Snowdog the answer to your question. 
The Bemis - Jackson Area got 13.5 " On Feb  28, 2009.
From what I`m reading here Nashville only got 1 " 
Yes that is amazing. 
This may be HISTORICAL.
The only other time that Bemis - Jackson got that much and  more was in 1968.
When 18.5 " fell on March 21-22.
Does anyone know how much Nashville got from that 1968 snow storm ?
I think the Memphis Airport had 17.4 " of snow.  But correct me if I`m wrong about the Memphis total.    ::flag::
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »
According to the records, Nashville measured 8.2 inches of snow from the March 1968 storm.

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2009, 05:06:41 PM »
So the Feb 28 2009 snow probably is HISTORICAL ! 
In respect to Jackson getting more snow than Nashville.
And you would normally think that Nashville would get more than Jackson.  ::flag::

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2009, 07:28:53 PM »
So the Feb 28 2009 snow probably is HISTORICAL ! 
In respect to Jackson getting more snow than Nashville.

It's been known to happen before.  ;)

In fact, notice that the 1968 event brought 18 inches to Jackson, where Nashville got only 8.

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2009, 07:56:01 PM »
Well OK maybe it`s Not HISTORICAL then. 
The Average person normally would expect Nashville
Not Jackson to get the most snow. 
Since Nashville is in the hills and mountains of Middle Tenn. 
That is what makes Nashville so beautiful.

However it looks like Weather Records prove NOT so.

I often wonder how much fell before the National Weather Service started keeping records.
There is no way of knowing I guess since there is NO Records to prove it.
I doubt there are any Weather Hobbiest
who has records even before the National Weather Service started keeping records. 
If there were records kept just an Weather Hobbiest
the records probably would be discredited anyways since the records were not taken at any Airport.
I hope I dont get in trouble for making this statement.   

Does anyone know why EASTERN Weather Forum does NOT accept anyone with
Yahoo E-Mail  accounts. ? ::flag::
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2009, 09:40:42 PM »
Well OK maybe it`s Not HISTORICAL then. 
The Average person normally would expect Nashville
Not Jackson to get the most snow. 
Since Nashville is in the hills and mountains of Middle Tenn. 
That is what makes Nashville so beautiful.

I think Nashville may average slightly more snow than Jackson, mainly because of being further north.  As far as being in the "hills and mountains," Nashville is actually down in a basin and is at a lower elevation than some of the surrounding counties, even though there are some decent sized hills and ridges in the area.  I don't think there's actually that much difference in elevation between Nashville proper and Jackson though.  My main point is that some snows have been a lot bigger in Jackson than what fell in Nashville from the same systems.  But, that has to do with how the storms tracked.  The all time record highest snowfall on record in Nashville was 17" in March 1892.  So, actually, Jackson beats Nashville on having a bigger record snowfall.



Does anyone know why EASTERN Weather Forum does NOT accept anyone with
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I'm not sure.  I wasn't aware that was a problem.  ::shrug::
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2009, 10:52:00 PM »
I attempted to join Eastern Weather Forum
and the Rules Part said that NO Yahoo E-Mail Accounts
and there were some others too. 
Would not be accepted.
I attempted to join anyways and was rejected. 
I would like to join them as well
but I already have two Yahoo E-Mail Accounts
and If I have to open up another account with some other company
just to join then nevermind.
I`m already with Tenn Weather Forum  and HardcoreWeather.
Just thought I would add more ways to get my weather information out.   ::flag::
 

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2009, 11:09:10 PM »
I think Nashville may average slightly more snow than Jackson, mainly because of being further north.  As far as being in the "hills and mountains," Nashville is actually down in a basin and is at a lower elevation than some of the surrounding counties, even though there are some decent sized hills and ridges in the area.  I don't think there's actually that much difference in elevation between Nashville proper and Jackson though.  My main point is that some snows have been a lot bigger in Jackson than what fell in Nashville from the same systems.  But, that has to do with how the storms tracked.  The all time record highest snowfall on record in Nashville was 17" in March 1892.  So, actually, Jackson beats Nashville on having a bigger record snowfall.



I'm not sure.  I wasn't aware that was a problem.  ::shrug::
Not really but a little. According to Wikipedia Nashville's mean elevation is 597ft and Jackson is 410 although the lowest point in Davidson Co. is 385ft I think.
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2009, 11:12:50 PM »
Mr. Brantley, I think a online weather station is a must-have for you. That is an excellent way to get your information out!
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2009, 12:38:32 AM »
Thanks for the information.
That is ok.
NO manual Observations on Eastern Weather Forum  OK .
Even when I get one of the National Weather Services Thermometer Systems
It will still be Manual Reporting.
Both Rainfall and Temp Extremes
The Thermometer will be displayed inside but the sensor will be outside by their
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I am Happy with reporting to Tenn Weather Forum  and Hardcoreweather  anyways.
Never hurts to try other ways however.   ::flag::
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2009, 01:20:47 AM »
I forgot to Mention in my earlier posts that
Jackson`s Records only go back to Aug  1948.
Unlike Nashville`s or Memphis`s Records that go back to the 1870`s or so.
Jackson doesn`t actually have a National Weather Service Forecast Office
like Nashville or Memphis does.   ::flag::

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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2009, 07:33:12 AM »
Not really but a little. According to Wikipedia Nashville's mean elevation is 597ft and Jackson is 410 although the lowest point in Davidson Co. is 385ft I think.

Right... there's a variable difference of 100-200 feet, which is not much.  The point is that elevation difference probably doesn't make a significant difference in weather, unless you're up on one of the ridges outside of the city.
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Re: Climate Change & Cyclical Snowfall Averages
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2009, 11:46:01 AM »
Elevation is much more crucial in icing events especially as 2m temps can differ even by 100 feet or so. Believe it or not, elevation changes in Shelby County range from 182 ft in SW corner of the conty to nearly 450ft in the eastern fringes. In the Jan 27th icing event, places in the eastern parts of the county with a little gain in elevation made all the difference overnight anyways(temps warmed up the next day). In the metro area as a whole, elevation gains are even more significant as places in Fayette and Marshall County push 700ft. The southern row of counties in TN get progressively higher as one heads to Pickwick. So even in the flatlands, elevation can, probably wont, but can be an issue here and there.

 

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